PRAYER IS TALKING TO GOD AND MEDITATION IS SHUT UP AND LET GOD TALK
I consider that the personality -eventually interpreted, as Gurdjieff do, as a complex of personalities- has formed wrong concepts of God and that' s why we pray to God for a job. a house, a raise in salary etc. God doesn't know no-god. God gives nothing! God can only manifest what God IS;Oneness wuth all, Power. Wisdom, Love, Harmony, Righteousness etc.
If you allow God in your actions of everyday by recognizing its ever present Divine Beingness within you, jobs, prosperity, love will be chasing you. Where Divine Presence is recognized by the personality, blessings will be there in abundance (for being allowed/recognized). By meditation we are not achieving God (he is fully present already as the being present everywhere), it's achieving the RECOGNITION of Divine Presence,. That' s why it is said in Mathew 6:33 "Seek you first the Kingdom of God , ....".
And then God reveals itself according to your clear define intention and readiness of the moment and always according to the law. Your readiness is obstructed by wrong perceptions about God and about love.
DHARANA, DHYANA AND SAMADHI
The 6th, 7th and 8th septs of the ladder of Patanjali, a ladder of development of consciousness, which are dharana/concentration, dhyana/meditation and samadhi/oneness within God has been interpreted in different ways by different spiritual leaders. All has spoken out descriptions of a human situation wherein there was a striving to be perfect and not clear cutted definitions about the three states of consciousness.
Dharana is to bring the mortal mind, wherein thoughts jump as monkeys from one issue to another one, to one pointedness.
Dhyana is a state of awakening within oneness consciousness in which you will be attracted through your state of one pointedness. This is a state of oneness consciousness, which falls as a mantle of ecstasy on the seeker, but needs time to be integrated within the human consciousness. During this state of mind, there is no separation of subject, object and the process of observation. But the mortal mind needs time to integrate this experience within a set of new paradigms.
Samadhi is a state of total oneness consciousness, which brings many pearls of wisdom to the personality.
MEDITATION TECHNIQUES AND THE THREE LAST STEPS OF PATANJALI
In reality the so called meditation- techniques are concentration-techniques, techniques for dharana.. Concentration leads to one pointedness of mind. In that state of one pointedness, sustained by the wish to be within Divine Consciousness -our Real Nature- we may go beyond mind, dhyana/ meditation. Being beyond mind is being one within Divinity or if you prefer to say, being one within Universal Consciousness. We will be unconscious of our third dimensional environment *, but very conscious of some level of the fourth dimension. *every night during deep sleep we are in that degree of unconsciousness, but now during meditation we are also conscious of the next planes of awareness.
Meditation is being at home, not going to home. The personality cannot "enter" in meditation. Personality cannot enter the holy of Holies. The concentration techniques are devices to bring one at the threshold where personality stuff ends and meditation is being immersed in the ocean of love, wisdom.
BELIEF IN TWO POWERS IS THE BASE OF A WRONG CONCEPT ABOUT DIVINITY. PRAYER AND MEDITATION
I believe 100% with Rev. Joel Goldsmith, Ernest Holmes, Charles Fillmore and different New Thought organizations, that the belief in 2 powers is something of the personality, of the carnal mind, of the consciousness which choose for dualism.
We have to establish the belief in one power, God. And we have to refine our concepts of God:
1. God doesn't know evil, so he cannot forgive sins.
2. God is always the same. God does not do anything.
3. God doesn't put one person or nation higher then the other ones,
4. God doesn't punish or reward.
Its power is manifested in all and also beyond all, all exist according to laws and God IS, God hasn't send prophets or saviors. All happen according to law. Buddha, Krishna. Jesus and other spiritual masters believed in ONE POWER.
There is no anti-God called Devil or Satan either. (Indeed, there are those human beings who have decided to worship all the evil that man has created and are indicated as "The Great Dark Brotherhood". They project themselves to those who are seeking the Light, the Truth, but they don't have any function towards God. I repeat God doesn't know evil. How Perfection can know what is the absence of Perfection?But they also have to go back some day to the recognition of their Real Nature, Divine Consciousness.)
A PROMINENT PERSON TALKING ABOUT MEDITATION
De Purucker, who was a prominent Theosophist says about meditation:
"The attempt to raise the self-conscious mind to the level of its spiritual counterpart, to unite manas with a ray from buddhi. It is a positive attitude of mind, a state of consciousness rather than a system or a time period of intensive thinking. It corresponds in its more perfect form to the ecstasy of Plotinus, which he defines as “the liberation of the mind from its finite consciousness, becoming one and identified with the Infinite.” It is silent prayer in one real sense, for the heart aspires upwards to become freed from all desire for personal benefit, and the mind frames no specific object, but both unite in the aspiration; not my will, but thine, be done. When engaged in at the outset of the day, or on retiring to sleep, it often takes the form of reflecting profoundly and impersonally on spiritual teachings, as well as self-examination, attuning of the mind and heart to calm and unselfish thought and feelings, as well as the endeavor to realize in consciousness one’s highest ideals of duty, purity, and truth, and inducing thereby a general harmonizing and one-pointed adjustment of the whole nature".
MY COMMENTARY
Self-conscious mind cannot attempt to unite lower "manas" (animal soul level) to higher "manas" (human soul level) and then to "buddhi" (spiritual soul level). Personality can only allow higher manas and Buddhi to flow in. The allowing does n' t happen just by sitting in the silence for some time. It happens during the 24 hours through correct thinking, correct feeling and correct purposes towards all in Nature.
I consider that the personality -eventually interpreted, as Gurdjieff do, as a complex of personalities- has formed wrong concepts of God and that' s why we pray to God for a job. a house, a raise in salary etc. God doesn't know no-god. God gives nothing! God can only manifest what God IS;Oneness wuth all, Power. Wisdom, Love, Harmony, Righteousness etc.
If you allow God in your actions of everyday by recognizing its ever present Divine Beingness within you, jobs, prosperity, love will be chasing you. Where Divine Presence is recognized by the personality, blessings will be there in abundance (for being allowed/recognized). By meditation we are not achieving God (he is fully present already as the being present everywhere), it's achieving the RECOGNITION of Divine Presence,. That' s why it is said in Mathew 6:33 "Seek you first the Kingdom of God , ....".
And then God reveals itself according to your clear define intention and readiness of the moment and always according to the law. Your readiness is obstructed by wrong perceptions about God and about love.
DHARANA, DHYANA AND SAMADHI
The 6th, 7th and 8th septs of the ladder of Patanjali, a ladder of development of consciousness, which are dharana/concentration, dhyana/meditation and samadhi/oneness within God has been interpreted in different ways by different spiritual leaders. All has spoken out descriptions of a human situation wherein there was a striving to be perfect and not clear cutted definitions about the three states of consciousness.
Dharana is to bring the mortal mind, wherein thoughts jump as monkeys from one issue to another one, to one pointedness.
Dhyana is a state of awakening within oneness consciousness in which you will be attracted through your state of one pointedness. This is a state of oneness consciousness, which falls as a mantle of ecstasy on the seeker, but needs time to be integrated within the human consciousness. During this state of mind, there is no separation of subject, object and the process of observation. But the mortal mind needs time to integrate this experience within a set of new paradigms.
Samadhi is a state of total oneness consciousness, which brings many pearls of wisdom to the personality.
MEDITATION TECHNIQUES AND THE THREE LAST STEPS OF PATANJALI
In reality the so called meditation- techniques are concentration-techniques, techniques for dharana.. Concentration leads to one pointedness of mind. In that state of one pointedness, sustained by the wish to be within Divine Consciousness -our Real Nature- we may go beyond mind, dhyana/ meditation. Being beyond mind is being one within Divinity or if you prefer to say, being one within Universal Consciousness. We will be unconscious of our third dimensional environment *, but very conscious of some level of the fourth dimension. *every night during deep sleep we are in that degree of unconsciousness, but now during meditation we are also conscious of the next planes of awareness.
Meditation is being at home, not going to home. The personality cannot "enter" in meditation. Personality cannot enter the holy of Holies. The concentration techniques are devices to bring one at the threshold where personality stuff ends and meditation is being immersed in the ocean of love, wisdom.
BELIEF IN TWO POWERS IS THE BASE OF A WRONG CONCEPT ABOUT DIVINITY. PRAYER AND MEDITATION
I believe 100% with Rev. Joel Goldsmith, Ernest Holmes, Charles Fillmore and different New Thought organizations, that the belief in 2 powers is something of the personality, of the carnal mind, of the consciousness which choose for dualism.
We have to establish the belief in one power, God. And we have to refine our concepts of God:
1. God doesn't know evil, so he cannot forgive sins.
2. God is always the same. God does not do anything.
3. God doesn't put one person or nation higher then the other ones,
4. God doesn't punish or reward.
Its power is manifested in all and also beyond all, all exist according to laws and God IS, God hasn't send prophets or saviors. All happen according to law. Buddha, Krishna. Jesus and other spiritual masters believed in ONE POWER.
There is no anti-God called Devil or Satan either. (Indeed, there are those human beings who have decided to worship all the evil that man has created and are indicated as "The Great Dark Brotherhood". They project themselves to those who are seeking the Light, the Truth, but they don't have any function towards God. I repeat God doesn't know evil. How Perfection can know what is the absence of Perfection?But they also have to go back some day to the recognition of their Real Nature, Divine Consciousness.)
A PROMINENT PERSON TALKING ABOUT MEDITATION
De Purucker, who was a prominent Theosophist says about meditation:
"The attempt to raise the self-conscious mind to the level of its spiritual counterpart, to unite manas with a ray from buddhi. It is a positive attitude of mind, a state of consciousness rather than a system or a time period of intensive thinking. It corresponds in its more perfect form to the ecstasy of Plotinus, which he defines as “the liberation of the mind from its finite consciousness, becoming one and identified with the Infinite.” It is silent prayer in one real sense, for the heart aspires upwards to become freed from all desire for personal benefit, and the mind frames no specific object, but both unite in the aspiration; not my will, but thine, be done. When engaged in at the outset of the day, or on retiring to sleep, it often takes the form of reflecting profoundly and impersonally on spiritual teachings, as well as self-examination, attuning of the mind and heart to calm and unselfish thought and feelings, as well as the endeavor to realize in consciousness one’s highest ideals of duty, purity, and truth, and inducing thereby a general harmonizing and one-pointed adjustment of the whole nature".
MY COMMENTARY
Self-conscious mind cannot attempt to unite lower "manas" (animal soul level) to higher "manas" (human soul level) and then to "buddhi" (spiritual soul level). Personality can only allow higher manas and Buddhi to flow in. The allowing does n' t happen just by sitting in the silence for some time. It happens during the 24 hours through correct thinking, correct feeling and correct purposes towards all in Nature.